Why not use Trinity Desktop ?

q4osteam · 2025-07-30 14:47

@Durhammer, @all
We would like to ask what is specifically preventing you from using Trinity as your primary desktop environment. Please be as specific as possible. We want to know what needs to be fixed or improved to make Trinity the #1.

crosscourt · 2025-07-31 01:05

I just prefer the functionality,customization features and design of KDE, nothing really against TDE but its not for me.

Last edited by crosscourt (2025-07-31 04:21)

q4osteam · 2025-07-31 08:42

Thanks for the input, we need to get specific issues here to be able to address them, not so general ones.

detoo · 2025-07-31 09:05

For what it's worth, I've stuck with Trinity because it just works and I'm used to it, but I do recall others' complaints about it coming pre-bundled with Konqueror as the default browser and file manager because they would prefer something else.

q4osteam · 2025-07-31 09:19

Yes, we are aware Konqueror as a browser is not quite usable at the moment. It may be fixed somehow, but it will never be the best browser, it's similar situation as for Konqueror in Plasma desktop. If we would preinstall another browser, would it solve the issue for the folks ?
File manager works fine. Maybe they don't know that Dolphin and Krusader can be installed from the repositories ? Or more specifically, what is the specific issue that bothers them about using Konqueror or Dolphin as a file manager ?

theasmitkid · 2025-07-31 11:28

Trinity has a couple bugs that makes me somewhat don't wanna use it, but since it's so lightweight and fast, i end up using it anyway..
Most of these bugs are fixed in the latest Trinity version so i pretty much don't have any issue.. but Q4OS 5 didn't upgrade to latest Trinity which makes me wanna rather do a pure Debian instalation and setup Trinity manually..
About programs, I'd say you should add kdbusnotifications-trinity in the base profile.. I had a lot of troubles understanding why I can't get notifications to work when I was new to Q4OS,
Konqueror doesn't work well for most cases and I'm not really sure about trinity's dolphin.. does smb and ftp work in it? I can't get the plasma's dolphin to work properly so pcmanfm(normal or at version) and thunar does the job,
chromium and firefox would be great but if palemoon can be ported to tqt then I feel like it would be the best default browser for Trinity de
There's also not many guides available for Trinity.. like it's so customisable and cool but there's barely any blog or articles which talk about it, unless you really look into it you'd prolly not find those.. so some guides related to customisability might help Trinity get more popular, in my opinion

Nevertheless, personally, Trinity has been the best for me..

q4osteam · 2025-07-31 12:09

theasmitkid wrote:

Trinity has a couple bugs that makes me somewhat don't wanna use it, but since it's so lightweight and fast, i end up using it anyway..
Most of these bugs are fixed in the latest Trinity version so i pretty much don't have any issue.

What specific bugs are you talking about ?

theasmitkid wrote:

About programs, I'd say you should add kdbusnotifications-trinity in the base profile.

Thanks, we will check this one.

theasmitkid wrote:

Konqueror doesn't work well for most cases

Please specify. We need to know specific issues that users experience to be able to address them.

theasmitkid wrote:

...I'm not really sure about trinity's dolphin.. does smb and ftp work in it?

Smb support in Trinity is a pain overall. It needs to be fixed, we are aware of. In anyway thanks.

So what should we do in order to make Q4OS Trinity your choice ?

josek · 2025-07-31 13:27

I actually used KDE Plasma at first and didn't like Trinity because of Konqueror, but oh well, I hope the next version is lighter.

It took me a lot of effort to reduce RAM usage from 450MB to 230MB
and make it faster.

Startup finished in 1.439s (firmware) + 634ms (loader) + 1.246s (kernel) + 1.229s (userspace) = 4.550s
graphical.target reached after 1.164s in userspace.
:~$ systemd-analyze blame
384ms dev-sda2.device
266ms udisks2.service
211ms NetworkManager.service
173ms user@1000.service
110ms bluetooth.service
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92ms systemd-logind.service
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65ms wpa_supplicant.service
59ms modprobe@drm.service
56ms systemd-sysusers.service
52ms systemd-random-seed.service
49ms systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service
46ms boot-efi.mount
42ms polkit.service
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I think Trinity needs to automate its basic Plasma-style functions to be user-friendly.

q4osteam · 2025-07-31 13:34

josek wrote:

... I think Trinity needs to automate its basic Plasma-style functions to be user-friendly.

So what should we specifically focus on ?

theasmitkid · 2025-07-31 13:36

resizing issues with various Virtual Terminal based applications (fixed in r14.1.2)

smb; ftp in konqueror

no xdg desktop portal for tde (added in r14.1.3)

no ebook reader (added in r14.1.3)

not really good tiling support (had to implement manually, still not perfect, code in another post)

lack of animated backgrounds (gif as background)

superkaramba broken for resource usage

konqueror's side menu is really outdated (something like plasma's dolphin's or thunar's or pcmanfm's is preferred)

konqueror never shows file size correctly

Konqueror doesn't always work well with other trash:// protocols (in my testing, kio and gio, mentioned in some other post too)

kate's theming is too complicated, no proper inbuilt dark theme

konqueror webp/svg support (added in r14.1.3, not sure)

konsole doesn't render all characters properly (like i tried using some whatsapp in terminal app, it displays qr code in terminal but konsole doesn't render it properly, had to use lxterminal but brownie due to resizing issues below r14.1.2 (since only till r14.1.1 is available in Q4OS)

also konsole doesn't load all characters properly like moden pip and wget n all

Okay this one's kinda sucks, first install waterleaf's all of the icons packages, in kmenuedit open some app and try to choose it's icon...... it just freezes kicker and most of the os, sometimes I can start terminal and kill kicker and restart to get os to respond again, fix is to remove waterleaf dark extras but it removes some icons I need, so it's inconvenient..

Tdepowersave issues.. icon is always broken and sometimes freezes kicker.. I had to remove it and write me own tray app for convenience, but then brightness control is broken..... So had to write some scripts to get it to work but still can't bind the fn+<brighteness control buttons> for brightness control which is inconvenient..

Tdepowedave scheme and cpu policy doesn't always set.. had to set it multiple times

Kpdf didn't have multiple tab support (added in r14.1.4)

Theming qt5 apps, gtk2 and gtk3 apps is somewhat complicated.. ig you should add gtk qt engines n stuff to base profile or make a new pre-installed profile which just is a bit better than base but not bloated like others

Kdialog is outdated.. doesn't work with lite-xl/pragtical code editor (improved in r14.1.4, maybe)

Trinity's paint program and color picker lacks some features and file support and crashes pretty often.. but it's pretty good non the less

Edit: making a new theme also sucks, best way is to edit a pre installed theme like debonair or darkonair, also no exports n imports suck
Edit 2: menu, hangs a lottt, tastymenu is a lot better in terms of speed but meh it's search isn't as good as default menu

Last edited by theasmitkid (2025-08-03 22:29)

q4osteam · 2025-07-31 13:53

@theasmitkid
Thanks We can focus on limited number of issues at a time, so what is 3 the most important for you ?

theasmitkid · 2025-07-31 14:11

I don't see myself using konqueror, konsole and tdepowersave so i really don't care about those anymore since newer Trinity versions.. I'd like it if you allow us to remove konqueror package completely as it interferes with other file managers sometimes)

Honestly the issue I deal with the most would be

Edit 2: menu, hangs a lottt

THEMING wrote:

Edit: making a new theme also sucks, best way is to edit a pre installed theme like debonair or darkonair, also no exports n imports suck
Theming qt5 apps, gtk2 and gtk3 apps is somewhat complicated.. ig you should add gtk qt engines n stuff to base profile or make a new pre-installed profile which just is a bit better than base but not bloated like others
kate's theming is too complicated, no proper inbuilt dark theme

Trinity's paint program and color picker lacks some features and file support and crashes pretty often.. but it's pretty good non the less

.
Thankyou in advance!
.

EDIT wrote:

not really good tiling support (had to implement manually, still not perfect, code in another post)
So had to write some scripts to get it to work but still can't bind the fn+<brighteness control buttons> for brightness control which is inconvenient..
i found a complicated-ish approach to do tiling and brightness control so i no longer need native support, however, native support would be appreciated amongest newer users

Last edited by theasmitkid (2025-08-03 22:38)

q4osteam · 2025-07-31 14:45

Well, finally we have first 3 really specific issues here to address. Anyone else ?

josek · 2025-07-31 15:18

q4osteam wrote:

josek wrote:
... I think Trinity needs to automate its basic Plasma-style functions to be user-friendly.
So what should we specifically focus on ?

The notification panel, which should be more plasma-style, meaning it should have an activity center

theasmitkid · 2025-07-31 15:30

josek wrote:

q4osteam wrote:
josek wrote:
... I think Trinity needs to automate its basic Plasma-style functions to be user-friendly.
So what should we specifically focus on ?

The notification panel, which should be more plasma-style, meaning it should have an activity center

Oh yea exactly! Both windows and plasma has these activity center but only Trinity is lacking

theasmitkid wrote:

Someone(I can't remember the name) wrote an activity center for Trinity in tqt but it's pretty buggy~ so am planning to write my own action center and notification client

and that reminds me of another issue, kdbusnotifications-trinity is old and doesn't display buttons and such on the popups.. so i can't reply to messages n such via notification on Trinity (but I can on xfce or plasma which has the best implementation)

q4osteam · 2025-07-31 15:37

Thanks to all participating, others feel free to put your input here and be specific please.

theasmitkid · 2025-08-03 14:57

bugmenot wrote:

In trinty I want it to open kickoff menu or classic menu when the Win key is pressed and released (like in KDE or Windows), not just on press. So I can use win key +D to show desktop without popup the start menu everytime.

Edit: Solution posted. However both are too complicated for a non technical user and hence might cause inconvenience, I will post a complete tutorial for these in tips and tricks, but I recommend adding it to the base Trinity installation

Last edited by theasmitkid (2025-08-03 22:45)

theasmitkid · 2025-08-03 16:08

Various bugs and issues

Last edited by theasmitkid (2025-08-03 22:42)

tlmiller76 · 2025-08-05 22:16

For me, I will only touch Trinity when using Q4os. If I want KDE, I think that base Debian is much more appealing than Q4OS.

crosscourt · 2025-08-06 02:27

Im ok with using Q4OS for KDE as has a few tweaks I actually like and it installs just a pinch faster than Debian. Im not a TDE guy but yes, if I was going to use Trinity it would be with Q4OS,

q4osteam · 2025-08-06 09:40

tlmiller76 wrote:

... I think that base Debian is much more appealing than Q4OS.

You could easily switch to the default Debian visual theme in Q4OS and still make use of Q4OS tools as an added value. Q4OS is also optimized for using Plasma and Trinity desktops side by side https://www.q4os.org/dqa015.html#ddskr

supra2jz · 2025-08-06 22:09

Thanks for your hard work to keep the Trinity users happy, really respect that!

Piriponzolo · 2025-08-06 23:04

@Q4OS Team

I like Q4OS on my 32 bit ASUS Eeepc with 2 GB RAM, Konsole is perfect. But I don't use Konqueror as browser, but Midori by Astian, it is very lightweight and responsive. As file manager I would prefer PCManFM-qt, if it is possible. Thanks for the attention

tlmiller76 · 2025-08-07 02:14

q4osteam wrote:

tlmiller76 wrote:
... I think that base Debian is much more appealing than Q4OS.
You could easily switch to the default Debian visual theme in Q4OS and still make use of Q4OS tools as an added value. Q4OS is also optimized for using Plasma and Trinity desktops side by side https://www.q4os.org/dqa015.html#ddskr

Oh, for Plasma, the Q4OS tools ARE the reason I find default Debian more appealing that they're not there. While Trinity is old enough to need the tools to fix many of the issues that it's lacking native ability to handle, Plasma isn't, so having a tool to do what Plasma can do natively is just a department of redundancy department issue, and so I specifically want to AVOID the Q4OS tools in plasma.

crosscourt · 2025-08-07 02:19

I run many KDE distros and most dont have additional tools and it really doesnt affect my experience. KDE really doesnt need much to be a great desktop experience.

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