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crosscourt

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

Totally agree Oconcal, in regards to 32 bit systems. XWayland for me really hasnt helped much in general.

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Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

It would be interesting to know what kernel that is running. Cauldron seems to be the equivalent of Debian Sid...

Kernel 6.12.33

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Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

I just installed Debian Trixie rc1.  Same old Acer laptop.

Plasma 6.3.4.  Kernel 6.12.30

Everything is running fine.  I am experiencing none of the previous glitches I had with Q4OS Plasma Alpha.

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q4osteam

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

So Q4OS have to miss something as it's is just Debian with extras. Would you be willing do some testing @Germ ?

Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

Yes, I can do some testing.

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q4osteam

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

So, please
- install Q4OS-6 Plasma with the full desktop, use the most recent iso q4os-6.0-x64-plasma.r6-testing-alpha.iso
- login to Plasma session
- untick checkbox on Welcome screen not to show on startup
- run terminal and get system up to date:
$ sudo apt update
$ sudo apt full-upgrade
- reboot
- perform some activity, same as for Debian, but avoid to run any of Q4OS utilities
Report back.

Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

OK.  Will do.

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swarfendor437

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

Going back to KDE neonuser, I have had various issues with it, being a mix of Ubuntu and Debian. When they migrated to 6, no-one could login. They fixed the issue with an update. Then came a major update to the OS - this ended up with a totally baulked system, moving from jammy repos to the 24.04 repos of Ubuntu. So downloaded the iteration after that. Then the next major update resulted in KDE disappearing up it's own repository only to be left with a full blown 24.04 Gnome desktop! Apparently this has been fixed with the next iteration but I prefer to stick with Q4OS, PCLOS Debian KDE Plasma and MX-Linux.

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crosscourt

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

Im not a fanboy for Neon but Ive been using it since day one and havent had any of the issues you describe in your post @swarfendorfer437.
Neon has always had some issues, because its always using the latest iteration of KDE. My install was a fresh install of Neon with Plasma 6, and I also didnt have any login issues. Im still presently using it with no major issues. Typically I upgrade to the newer version but Ive been using KDE a really long time and Ive found that doing a fresh install has lead to way fewer problems.
Many people who had major issues were using the testing edition versus the Users Edition but as many people had issues, there were many who didnt, like myself. People got spoiled as KDE 5 had some issues early on  but its been around a decade now, so its very stable. KDE 6 hasnt been around that long and its still going to take time to work things out.
Debian intentionally doesnt move that fast and many packages are somewhat outdated but overall its a lot more stable. Many want newer packages and that presents the chance for more issues depending on the situation.
I wouldnt use KDE Neon as a daily driver because its a bit cutting edge. I use the Users Edition just to test and see what Plasma 6 looks like, before it comes out in some other distros.

My favorite Debian distros are, Q4OS, MX Linux/antiX, and Netrunner 25. I no longer use PCLOS Debian KDE, too many issues for me. PCLOS Debian KDE doesnt auto detect printer at boot, has many issues with custom apps, unusual lack of some apps you see in other distros, other little niggles that just werent necessary. PCLOS Debian will also have significant issues using Sysvinit with Debian 13/Wayland in the next version of their distro.

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Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

- install Q4OS-6 Plasma with the full desktop, use the most recent iso q4os-6.0-x64-plasma.r6-testing-alpha.iso
- login to Plasma session
- untick checkbox on Welcome screen not to show on startup

Done

$ sudo apt update

Done.  apt reports "All packages are up to date".  And, I was not asked for my password.

- reboot
- perform some activity, same as for Debian, but avoid to run any of Q4OS utilities
Report back.

Will let you know how it goes.

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Oconcal

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

I just installed Debian Trixie rc1.  Same old Acer laptop.

Plasma 6.3.4.  Kernel 6.12.30

Everything is running fine.  I am experiencing none of the previous glitches I had with Q4OS Plasma Alpha.

In Kernel 6.12.25 they fixed all the drivers they broke and patched the buggy drivers they got from Intel.

crosscourt

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

In fact the 6.12.25 kernel caused issues with Nvidia drivers, AMD GPU configurations and many reported that the i915 Intel driver wasnt loading or in fact wasnt present(including other issues with Intel IGPs).  The 6.12.30 kernel did fix some of the issues of previous 6.12.x kernels which was very welcome by many users(Germ was using the 6.12.30 kernel with Trixie with success). Users reported less Nvidia driver issues, i915 driver issues and better experience with AMD GPUS.
The 6.12.33 kernel(Germ in post #52 reported he is presently using the 6.12.33 kernel with Cauldron as they updated to both the .30 and .33 versions rather quickly,due to reported issues with 6.12.25) was released 6/10/2025(6.12 series will be supported thru 12/2026) and includes some additional minor fixes.
Linux kernel archives has details on the kernel as well as other kernels released in this series and in other series.

The issue with Q4OS alpha is the fact that its an alpha and will get a lot better by the time it releases.

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Oconcal

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

I

The issue with Q4OS alpha is the fact that its an alpha and will get a lot better by the time it releases.

It just reminds me of the early 2000s when people were trying to write a better gnome. But the underlying os is total diy garbage that a high school level enthusiast threw it all together. If you really want my professional opinion.

q4osteam

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

Thanks @Germ
Terminal asks for sudo password for the first run definitely on the installed system. Afterwards it doesn't ask, however it has some expiration period to ask again. If you are performing within the live media, sudo users are not asked for password at all. We will check the alpha.

Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

Had some updates this morning.

Start-Date: 2025-06-15  08:12:28
Commandline: apt full-upgrade
Requested-By: germ (1000)
Upgrade: kde-config-updates:amd64 (6.3.4-3, 6.3.5-1), libcommons-logging-java:amd64 (1.3.0-1, 1.3.0-2), plasma-discover-common:amd64 (6.3.4-3, 6.3.5-1), plasma-discover-backend-fwupd:amd64 (6.3.4-3, 6.3.5-1), plasma-discover:amd64 (6.3.4-3, 6.3.5-1), plasma-discover-backend-flatpak:amd64 (6.3.4-3, 6.3.5-1)
End-Date: 2025-06-15  08:12:32

Rebooted.  System is running fine.  No glitches.

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q4osteam

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

It sounds promising. Now you could start using Q4OS tools and see what happens.

Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

OK.  I'll report back.

Edit:
Tried installing codecs from Welcome Screen.   It froze at 2%.  Screen blanked a couple of times.  Then the install dialog closed and I got a notification that wayland crashed but I was not logged out.

Started Software Centre from the menu.  I got a blank white dialog box containing only what looks to be a search box.  Mouse cursor disappeared but the touch pad works.  Screen blanked twice.  Typed in firefox in the search box.  it brought up firefox but the install button was not visible until I hovered.  All the text is missing some letters it says "re ox" where I typed firefox.  Started the install and Software Centre crashed after 2% progress and the window closed.

Started Welcome center again.  Clicked Desktop Profiler.  Clicked Full Featured Desktop then Install.  It crashed and went back to the welcome screen.

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Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

It's either this tired old laptop or the Q4OS tools need some work.

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q4osteam

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

Yes, some of Q4OS tools will need some treatment. Do Q4OS Plasma without using the Software centre, Desktop profiler, and Setup tool work flawlessly ?

Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

Yes, I have had no problems except when I try using the Q4OS tools.

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q4osteam

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

Thanks for testing @Germ We will work the issue out.

Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

You're Welcome.  Hope I helped.

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q4osteam

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

Yes. If you have any observations post them here.