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crosscourt

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

@Germ but you are having slowness issues with some apps, and opening more tabs will only make it worse. Its not that you cant run it but its not going to be a great experience.
Im surprised you dont run Q4OS TDE on your Acer Aspire given its specs
Used hardware is so cheap right now, you can get better hardware and run whatever OS you want and enjoy it more. My two Dell E5450s were $50 a piece with 8gb of ram and 256gb ssd.

I dont see many people running with less than 8gb and most have a 4th gen Intel processor or higher so they have no issue running Linux.

Hows Mageia these days? I havent run it in years, but it use to be one of my favorites.
Right now Im running Netrunner 25 on one of my older systems.

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Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

I do run Q4OS TDE on it.  I just swap the harddrive out.  The harddrive is reall easy to swap.  Two screws on the compartment and open a little door.  Don't have to remove the whole back of the laptop.  I also use SSDs which helps some on speed.

Mageia 9 is great.  I've been using Mageia since the first release in 2011.  Before that, Mandrake and then Mandriva.  Cauldron is the development branch which will become Mageia 10.

I keep the old Acer for sentimental reasons.  It was my first laptop machine and still going after 17 years.

My three other macines are much newer.  All have Intel i7 processors and 16GB RAM.

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q4osteam

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

It would be interesting to install Q4OS 6 Plasma on your Acer and compare with the other distro

Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

Yes, it would be interesting.   When is the next testing ISO coming out?  I'll give it a go.

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q4osteam

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

You can already download the experimental alpha version from https://sourceforge.net/projects/q4os/files/testing/, but keep in mind that it is not yet as optimized and may still have serious flaws.

A stable version will be released in a few months along with Debian Trixie.

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Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

OK.  I'll give the Alpha a spin.  I have plenty of blank SSD's.

Looking forward to the stable release.

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Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

OK, got the Alpha installed.  Right after bootup on each OS:

On Mageia Cauldron:

[germ@localhost ~]$ free -h
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache  available
Mem:          1.9Gi      998Mi      369Mi        88Mi      809Mi      945Mi
Swap:          4.0Gi          0B      4.0Gi

On Q4OS/Plasma 6 Alpha:

germ@aspire5315:~$ free -h
               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:           1.9Gi       982Mi       434Mi        90Mi       784Mi       981Mi
Swap:          4.2Gi          0B       4.2Gi

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Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

Tried to install codecs from the Q4OS Welcome screen and Xwayland crashed.

Installed synaptic from CLI and the codecs installed fine from synaptic.  But Xwayland is still crashing.  Software Centre is just flashing a white box.  Mouse is unresponsive.

Xwayland runs with no problems on Mageia, not sure what the problem is here.

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Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

Rebooted and logged in to X11 and it is also crashing when I try to open Software Centre.

The screen blanked a few times and then logged me out.  Logged back in and Software Centre loaded this time.  Tried to install firefox and the screen blanked a couple of time again then logged me out.

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crosscourt

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

Definitely an alpha at this point.  @Germ my Dell laptops also allow for hard drives to be pulled out very easily, so I rarely dual boot, and instead just change drives.

My original system was a Commodore 64 which shows you my age,LOL!!

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Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

I started with a Apple II around 1980.  My first Linux was Slackware around 1995.  1999 I discovered Mandrake and stuck with it and it's derivatives.

I'm 68 now and retired.

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crosscourt

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

We have similar likes as I also used Mandrake, then Mandriva/PCLinucOS/Mageia but eventually moved away from RPM distros to Debian based distros.
I also used Apple II and use to try and make games back in the day, given the influence of Lord British/Richard Garriot. My nephew worked with him years back when he was running NC Soft here in the USA.

Im 72 and retired pc tech/building maintenance supervisor

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Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

I worked in the Aerospace industry.  My last position was with FlightSafety, International in Broken Arrow, OK.  Retired from there after 25 years.

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Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

However, the TDE alpha worked perfectly.

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crosscourt

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

Glad that was the case Germ as your initial comments about the alpha didnt initially look that way.

Ive done a lot of things in my life, as I was a musician early on, played professional tennis and coached for quite a few years, but finished my work life as a pc tech and building maintenance supervisor. I had done pc tech work for many years as a sideline for extra cash and eventually did it full time.

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Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

Glad that was the case Germ as your initial comments about the alpha didnt initially look that way.

Well, the Plasma Alpha was a bust.  Nothing but trouble.  So, I'm assuming it was Plasma 6 at fault.

The TDE alpha was good.  Software Centre ran great.  I installed several packages and they all worked.  Base software worked good.

Both on my old Acer.  Both on the same SSD.

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crosscourt

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

Sorry I misunderstood.  Ive been running KDE Neon with Plasma 6 and Wayland with no issues since it first came out. Plasma has had issues over the years, that typically gets worked out by the 4th iteration and Plasma 6 is close to being on 6.4. This time around I had almost no issues even when Plasma 6 first launched.

I started using Trinity initially when I first joined the site but since the KDE version came out, Ive had far more issues with TDE than I have with KDE, but thats just my experience. I no longer use TDE any more.

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q4osteam

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

@Germ
Thanks for reporting your experience, It seems Q4OS/Debian Plasma 6 has some issue with acceleration on your hardware. Is Plasma buggy even if you don't use control centre and applications Installer ? These tools do use TQt libraries so it may be connected somehow. We are not able to reproduce such difficulties on another hardware so far.

All in all Q4OS 6 becomes better and better as it nears to beta and definitely to the stable release

Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

Is Plasma buggy even if you don't use control centre and applications Installer ?

A couple of times the laptop was just idling and the screen blanked for a second or two but did not log me out.  The blanking/logouts happened when I was working.  Once when I was using Plasma System Settings.

It seems Q4OS/Debian Plasma 6 has some issue with acceleration on your hardware.

Yes, I think you are correct.

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crosscourt

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

@Germ, your using the Intel GMA X3100 graphics and its already a known issue with Plasma 6 that there have been some issues reported, particularly with Wayland but also with X11.

Its going to get tougher down the road trying to get older graphics hardware to run reliably as Wayland takes over.

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Germ

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

Possibly.  I run Mageia Cauldron with Plasma 6.3.91 and Wayland.  I have never experienced these glitches with that.

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crosscourt

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

I havent had any issues with KDE Neon with my one much older laptop using Wayland. XWayland is used when needed as a bridge to avoid issues with hardware/apps that need X11.  Nonetheless issues have been reported with older hardware and my hope is it wont affect users who want to continue using older hardware.

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bin

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

Possibly.  I run Mageia Cauldron with Plasma 6.3.91 and Wayland.  I have never experienced these glitches with that.

It would be interesting to know what kernel that is running. Cauldron seems to be the equivalent of Debian Sid, so will always have the latest packages. This in a nutshell is one of the big issues with Plasma on Debian. Plasma is in constant development and so the Debian Stable libraries are quickly out of date. That is not necessarily a bad thing, but just a fact. Whether the version of Wayland in Cauldron is also more recent than Debian I do not know, but probably it will be.

I also run EndeavourOS with Plasma - EOS is Arch based so always rolling. That is on an 2012 i3 Thinkpad E530 and I do find that Wayland can be a but glitchy sometimes - Intel Graphics. However X11 is solid.

crosscourt

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

I think Cauldron is using the 6.15 kernel but it launched with the 6.12 kernel.  Mageia isnt always up to date as it varies. Wayland is glitchy and in particular with Intel graphics, so X11 is a must.

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Re: Debian 13 Trixie is on the way with KDE Plasma 6.3.5

I also run EndeavourOS with Plasma - EOS is Arch based so always rolling. That is on an 2012 i3 Thinkpad E530 and I do find that Wayland can be a but glitchy sometimes - Intel Graphics. However X11 is solid.

Its because of concurrency timing in the arch branch because they decided to take certain functions out of qml and put them into jason so they themselves induced these timing errors. Bluestar has those issues as well. Other things I notice is some of these do not go through the trouble to clean up code that they are using which is why it's a better practice to set up the OS's depository and compile and weed out all the source bugs. Plus don't use anyone else's depositories directly because it can transfer code bugs from one distro to another like what has happened in Arch.

  But wayland's compositor does not work well with older video card drivers and should be avoided all together in 32 bit distros. IMHO

I don't have very much time to spend evaluating kernel versions, but what I have been noticing is certain Rust replacements are too experimental and some are still susceptible to the unfixable zero day bug in the Rust language itself. The kernel application is not the issue. Its how they are structuring the code regarding tab margins and whitespaces in the external services that are written in Rust.