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#1 2021-04-28 06:26

Hukożęszczybręszczyżewicz
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Suggestions (fan config)

Hello, a little suggestion ...

Is it possible that in the future Q4OS will have a program to control the laptop fan?

I mean a simple application - primarily for machines equipped with Intel processors and Intel chipset.

An app would be nice ...
(replacement of the ACPI driver - which works automatically)

An application that would have 5 simple modes in its settings:
1. fan automatically
2. fan always at speed 1
3. fan always on speed 2
4. fan always in 3rd speed
5. fan off

I have an i7-5600U (HP 820-G2) and the Q4OS works like this:

0> 45C = fan speed 1
45> 55C = fan speed 2
> 56C = fan speed 3

My head is already breaking!
The maximum operating temperature of this processor is 105C.
Windows systems (or rather Windows drivers) only switch to third gear at 65 ° C.

The case described here applies to all Linux distributions. The same goes for Linux Mint, the same goes for Linux Manjaro and Fedora.

None of the makers of the various Linux distributions ever wanted to hear about fixing fan settings on systems based on an Intel chipset.
Maybe someone in Q4OS will do something someday?

From myself I will add:
I recommend taking a look at macOS, macOS Sierra, and SierraHigh in particular. It is known that MacOS is nothing but Linux, and the settings are very well polished there.
My laptop can work as a so-called HaMac, I have used Sierra systems and admit the drivers work fine.


On macOS 10.13.1 and Intel-i5-3320M, Intel-i5-4300M and Intel-i7-5600U it looks like this:
0> 39C = fan off
40> 55C = fan speed 1
56> 64C = fan speed 2
> 65C = fan speed 3

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In my system, the following drivers are responsible for the operation of the fan:
coretemp-isa-0000
and
acpitz-acpi-0

As I am writing this post my CPU temperature is + 51C. The fan runs at speed 2 (Q4OS system). When the temperature exceeds + 55C, the third gear will be engaged.
These settings are very bad and have a huge impact on the comfort of our work.


I couldn't have had a computer if linux didn't exist ...  & sorry for my English

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#2 2021-04-28 10:11

bin
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Re: Suggestions (fan config)

I have always found HP laptops to be a bear with fan speed/noise. OTOH an old Acer with Sparkylinux is very good with fan control.

However please do not expect others to scratch around your previous posts to find out which version of Q4OS you are using and which kernel etc. For a machine as recent as yours I would immediately be looking that the latest backport kernel. You might also want to try the Gemini release which is Bullseye plus Plasma.

Please post the output of inxi -F and that will help.

I'm sure the developers would be happy to do this work for free smile smile smile

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#3 2021-05-01 08:48

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Re: Suggestions (fan config)

Linux q4os-desktop 4.19.0-16-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.181-1 (2021-03-19) x86_64

kot@q4os-desktop:~$ inxi -F
System:    Host: q4os-desktop Kernel: 4.19.0-16-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Trinity R14.0.6 Distro: Q4OS 3.14.2-n1
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP EliteBook serial: <root required>
           Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 225A v: KBC Version 96.5B serial: <root required> UEFI: Hewlett-Packard
           v: M71 Ver. 01.31 date: 02/24/2020
CPU:       Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core i7-5600U bits: 64 type: MT MCP L2 cache: 4096 KiB
           Speed: 2682 MHz min/max: 500/3200 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1833 2: 3009 3: 2404 4: 2484
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 5500 driver: i915 v: kernel
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 5500 (Broadwell GT2) v: 4.5 Mesa 18.3.6
Audio:     Device-1: Intel Broadwell-U Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
           Device-2: Intel Wildcat Point-LP High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-16-amd64
Network:   Message: No Device data found.
           IF-ID-1: enp0s20u2 state: unknown speed: N/A duplex: N/A mac: 8a:c7:56:12:e2:12
Drives:    Local Storage
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: A-Data model: SU900 size: 938.47 GiB
           ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: LITE-ON IT model: LSS-512L7K-HP size: 489.82 GiB
Partition: ID-1 :fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sdb5
Sensors:   Missing: Required tool sensors not installed. Check --recommends
Info:      Processes: 162 Uptime: 3m Memory: 15.08 GiB used: 868.1 MiB (5.6%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.32

I only have these kernels available:

root@q4os-desktop:~# apt-cache search linux-image
linux-image-amd64 - Jądro Linux do komputerów 64-bitowych (metapakiet)
linux-headers-4.19.0-14-amd64 - Header files for Linux 4.19.0-14-amd64
linux-headers-4.19.0-14-cloud-amd64 - Header files for Linux 4.19.0-14-cloud-amd64
linux-headers-4.19.0-14-rt-amd64 - Header files for Linux 4.19.0-14-rt-amd64
linux-headers-4.19.0-16-amd64 - Header files for Linux 4.19.0-16-amd64
linux-headers-4.19.0-16-cloud-amd64 - Header files for Linux 4.19.0-16-cloud-amd64
linux-headers-4.19.0-16-rt-amd64 - Header files for Linux 4.19.0-16-rt-amd64
linux-image-4.19.0-14-amd64-dbg - Debug symbols for linux-image-4.19.0-14-amd64
linux-image-4.19.0-14-amd64-unsigned - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs
linux-image-4.19.0-14-cloud-amd64-dbg - Debug symbols for linux-image-4.19.0-14-cloud-amd64
linux-image-4.19.0-14-cloud-amd64-unsigned - Linux 4.19 for x86-64 cloud
linux-image-4.19.0-14-rt-amd64-dbg - Debug symbols for linux-image-4.19.0-14-rt-amd64
linux-image-4.19.0-14-rt-amd64-unsigned - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs, PREEMPT_RT
linux-image-4.19.0-16-amd64-dbg - Debug symbols for linux-image-4.19.0-16-amd64
linux-image-4.19.0-16-amd64-unsigned - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs
linux-image-4.19.0-16-cloud-amd64-dbg - Debug symbols for linux-image-4.19.0-16-cloud-amd64
linux-image-4.19.0-16-cloud-amd64-unsigned - Linux 4.19 for x86-64 cloud
linux-image-4.19.0-16-rt-amd64-dbg - Debug symbols for linux-image-4.19.0-16-rt-amd64
linux-image-4.19.0-16-rt-amd64-unsigned - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs, PREEMPT_RT
linux-image-amd64-signed-template - Template for signed linux-image packages for amd64
linux-image-amd64-dbg - Debugging symbols for Linux amd64 configuration (meta-package)
linux-image-cloud-amd64 - Linux for x86-64 cloud (meta-package)
linux-image-cloud-amd64-dbg - Debugging symbols for Linux cloud-amd64 configuration (meta-package)
linux-image-rt-amd64 - Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package), PREEMPT_RT
linux-image-rt-amd64-dbg - Debugging symbols for Linux rt-amd64 configuration (meta-package)
linux-image-4.19.0-14-amd64 - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs (signed)
linux-image-4.19.0-14-cloud-amd64 - Linux 4.19 for x86-64 cloud (signed)
linux-image-4.19.0-14-rt-amd64 - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs, PREEMPT_RT (signed)
linux-image-4.19.0-16-amd64 - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs (signed)
linux-image-4.19.0-16-cloud-amd64 - Linux 4.19 for x86-64 cloud (signed)
linux-image-4.19.0-16-rt-amd64 - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs, PREEMPT_RT (signed)
linux-image-4.19.0-12-amd64 - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs (signed)
linux-image-4.19.0-12-cloud-amd64 - Linux 4.19 for x86-64 cloud (signed)
linux-image-4.19.0-12-rt-amd64 - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs, PREEMPT_RT (signed)
linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64 - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs (signed)
linux-image-4.19.0-6-cloud-amd64 - Linux 4.19 for x86-64 cloud (signed)
linux-image-4.19.0-6-rt-amd64 - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs, PREEMPT_RT (signed)
linux-image-4.19.0-8-amd64 - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs (signed)
linux-image-4.19.0-8-cloud-amd64 - Linux 4.19 for x86-64 cloud (signed)
linux-image-4.19.0-8-rt-amd64 - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs, PREEMPT_RT (signed)
linux-image-4.19.0-9-amd64 - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs (signed)
linux-image-4.19.0-9-cloud-amd64 - Linux 4.19 for x86-64 cloud (signed)
linux-image-4.19.0-9-rt-amd64 - Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs, PREEMPT_RT (signed)

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I couldn't have had a computer if linux didn't exist ...  & sorry for my English

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#4 2021-05-01 13:37

aluma
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Re: Suggestions (fan config)

I do not know if there is such a program in q4os-desktop 4.19.0-16-amd64 - fancontrol.
Quote from the description - "Lm-sensors - a package for monitoring the state of hardware in
Linux. Allows you to receive information from temperature sensors, voltage and
fan speed. Works on most modern systems.

The package contains a service that depends on the temperature of the equipment
calculates the required fan speed and sets
voltage according to the calculated values. This is especially useful"

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#5 2021-05-01 13:50

bin
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Re: Suggestions (fan config)

Install the latest backport kernel as described here. https://www.q4os.org/dqa011.html#system.6

Try using Q4OS Gemini which is Plasma based at the moment but runs on Debian Bullseye - everything is much newer then current Debian 10 and may help work out a path. It is possible to use the desktop profiler to swap out to Trinity TDE.

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#6 2021-05-01 20:15

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Re: Suggestions (fan config)

I apologize for the off-topic, but there is another side to this issue.
According to the canons of radio engineering, an increase in the temperature of a component by 10 C reduces its resource by half.
It is important for the manufacturer (HP) to hold out the warranty period, for the consumer (Linux), to ensure long-term work.

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#7 2021-05-04 16:04

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Re: Suggestions (fan config)

After some searching, I have realized, that there is no graphical utilities for controlling fan speed in Linux (like SpeedFan) sad
There are some methods described, how to control fan speeds in Linux, but I have not tested them.
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=286399
https://askubuntu.com/questions/22108/h … -fan-speed
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/fan_speed_control
Hope it is not forbidden to post links on another forums here.

bin wrote:

Install the latest backport kernel as described here. https://www.q4os.org/dqa011.html#system.6
Try using Q4OS Gemini which is Plasma based at the moment but runs on Debian Bullseye - everything is much newer then current Debian 10 and may help work out a path. It is possible to use the desktop profiler to swap out to Trinity TDE.

I am sorry, but the topic starter does not asking how to update his Linux to newest version, he is asking, how to control fan speed of his laptop. Also, suggesting unstable Linux version is NOT a good idea!

aluma wrote:

I apologize for the off-topic, but there is another side to this issue.
According to the canons of radio engineering, an increase in the temperature of a component by 10 C reduces its resource by half.
It is important for the manufacturer (HP) to hold out the warranty period, for the consumer (Linux), to ensure long-term work.

That is why I do not like Laptops. On Desktop I can set up appropriate cooling for my CPU myself, but on Laptops I have to deal with manufacturers cooling, which often is not adequate.

Last edited by Rademes (2021-05-04 16:14)

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#8 2021-05-04 17:08

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Re: Suggestions (fan config)

This is q4os-4.3-x64-testing.r1.
There is such a program, it does not work out of the box on my netbook.
But I have no problem with the fan.


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#9 2021-05-05 05:26

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Re: Suggestions (fan config)

Rademes wrote:
bin wrote:

Install the latest backport kernel as described here. https://www.q4os.org/dqa011.html#system.6
Try using Q4OS Gemini which is Plasma based at the moment but runs on Debian Bullseye - everything is much newer then current Debian 10 and may help work out a path. It is possible to use the desktop profiler to swap out to Trinity TDE.

I am sorry, but the topic starter does not asking how to update his Linux to newest version, he is asking, how to control fan speed of his laptop. Also, suggesting unstable Linux version is NOT a good idea!

The OP's machine is quite recent. Kernel 4.19 is somewhat long in the tooth. I think they are pretty much contemporaneous.
If the current kernel, associated firmware and other software do not provide support for the hardware then it is utterly pointless to waste time trying to fix it. Trying a backport kernel will at least be a start.

Debian Bullseye is NOT unstable - that would be Debian Sid and I would not suggest using that in this case.
Debian Bullseye has been in freeze now for some time and is a perfectly reasonable suggestion to see if it provides a working result. If it does then all well and good, if not then nothing lost but knowledge gained.

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#10 2021-05-05 06:41

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Re: Suggestions (fan config)

q4os-2.7-i686pae.
Desktop, Intel E8400 processor, Ksensors finds temperature sensors, fancontrol does not.


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