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#1 2017-11-28 14:09

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Q4OS loves Windows 10

The first stable version of Q4OS installer for Windows has been released, please read https://www.q4os.org/blog.html#news171129

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#2 2017-11-28 19:14

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

Will give this a try.

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#3 2017-11-28 21:02

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

Trying it now on the Dell laptop that has windows 8.1

Question for team - can the selected drive size be changed later or will it require uninstalling Q4OS and re-installing with a larger drive size selected?

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#4 2017-11-28 21:10

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

JimW wrote:

.. can the selected drive size be changed later or will it require uninstalling Q4OS and re-installing with a larger drive size selected?

Basically, you can change the size of the rootfs loopback file and then run the 'resize2fs' utility on it. It just works, but you need to know what you are doing.

EDIT:
There is no dedicated gui tool to resize the drive available at the moment, so an ordinary user will need to proceed a new clean installation.

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#5 2017-11-28 21:44

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

Ok, I am not afraid of the cli! smile

On MOX I have
ESP
DIAGS
WIRETOOLS
OS
PBR Image

I am not sure if I should choose OS or PBR Image.

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#6 2017-11-28 22:05

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

JimW wrote:

I am not sure if I should choose OS or PBR Image.

Please point us, what do you want to do now ?

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#7 2017-11-28 22:15

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

Sorry - should have been MOK instead of MOX.
When the install finishes and reboot occurs I get the MOKManager come up wanting me to register a MOK key. The choices it gives are:

ESP
DIAGS
WIRETOOLS
OS
PBR Image

The installation instructions point to https://github.com/hakuna-m/wubiuefi/wiki/MOKManager for instructions on setting up the MOK. I had assumed there would be something like Q4OS as a selection. The closest I see to that is just OS and I'm not sure if that is Q4OS or Windows OS.

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#8 2017-11-28 22:45

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

Ok, you need to choose the "EFI System Partition", so we would guess the 'ESP' should be the proper one for your machine. Then navigate the 'EFI/debian/wubildr/<the_key>.cer and enroll it into the MOK database. After that, the secure boot will be able to boot your Q4OS installation.

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#9 2017-11-28 23:05

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Ok - ESP was the correct choice - Thanks!

Q4OS booted (after hitting the f12 in time) smile

Now, I seem to have no internet, even though it found and recognized the wifi adapter. When I try to do a "desktop profile" I get an immediate "Error 30".
Also, no sound. But can't work on that until internet is working.

laptop is a Dell Inspiron 15.

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#10 2017-11-28 23:25

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

JimW wrote:

Now, I seem to have no internet, even though it found and recognized the wifi adapter. When I try to do a "desktop profile" I get an immediate "Error 30".
Also, no sound. But can't work on that until internet is working.

laptop is a Dell Inspiron 15.

Please start a new topic in the "Q4OS Support" section, as these issues are not directly connected to the Q4OS Windows installer.

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#11 2017-11-28 23:26

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

Will do.

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#12 2018-03-07 18:49

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

Hello. I am installing Q4OS for Windows but the MOK setup does not match the MOK instructions per the link in the Q4OS for Windows Setup Guide. When the MOK setup opens up after rebooting from the Q4OS installation, all goes according to plan until I get to step #7, where I am supposed to choose "wubildr/". This option does not exist.
Please advise how to correct this, or if I should choose another option instead (which I've tried doing "blind"and which leads to more confusion over the subsequent choices to make in the following setup steps).
Thank you for your attention to this post.
TIA
Cheers!

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#13 2018-03-08 08:13

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

@ScorpianQ4OS
You need to enroll MOK from the 'debian' directory, just browse through the following path:

(ESP)/EFI/debian/wubildr/adminu_wubi.cer

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#14 2018-03-08 15:45

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

Hello Q4OSTeam,
Thank you for responding to my post. Unfortunately I do not know what your reply means nor how to find the Debian directory let alone browse the path you specified or what to do even if I could browse it. Not trying to
"try" your patience here, but I'm simply not very PC literate when it comes to getting into anything beyond desk top icons or the most basic PC functions.
This is why I am interested in Q4OS to begin with; it is billed as a simple straight forward installation alongside Windows 10 without all the hoop jumping associated with most other Linux distros I've tried. In my case, the installation guides never match the the installation steps that my PC shows!
This is no different unfortunately, as the previously mentioned lack of a wubildr/ option in the MOK enroll just doesn't exist in my Q4OS download. I've tried every combination of the choices offered in the MOK enrollment, but none lead to the hakunamatata_wubi.cer choice that allows the Q4OS install to work.
I have tried understanding the MOK protocol and how to use it in Windows for Linux installations, but it is all Greek to me.
I do not believe I'm the only one in this predicament, nor the first to have this issue, but I can't find any posts that confirm this!
So, if you would be so kind as to instruct me to accomplish the Debian directory browsing suggested in your post, in terms that are smaller and slower for my ignorance, I would be eternally grateful!
If not I understand. It can be especially annoying to have to "teach" at such a basic level when your interest is in the more advanced elements of your field of expertise.
Either way, I do appreciate your reply. My apology for my inability to apply it.
Sincerely
Cheers

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#15 2018-03-08 16:59

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@ScorpianQ4OS
Hey, don't feel intimidated! smile
I've been using Linux for over a decade and they lost me with what they asked you to do!

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#16 2018-03-08 17:53

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

@ScorpianQ4OS
If you get the blue screen 'Verfication failed..' on the bootup, you are on the right way. You can see the general procedure about MOK enrolling here https://github.com/hakuna-m/wubiuefi/wiki/MOKManager . Keep in mind this is a general procedure valid for Ubuntu systems only. You need to enroll adminu_wubi.cer key to enable Secure boot for Q4OS/Debian. Just proceed the steps from the link above, but substitute the Ubuntu path with Debian, please see:

(ESP)/EFI/debian/wubildr/adminu_wubi.cer

The "ESP" device will vary by hardware.

If you will get a stuck, please post as exact as possible description for us to be able guide you step by step.

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#17 2018-03-08 19:39

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

Eurika! I feel like the dunce I am! :-).  Perhaps this might help when next you encounter another fence post like me. Your directions to enroll "admin_wubi.cer" and browse that path and substitute Unbutu with Debian  were confusing for me because I thought I would encounter a window where I would manually enter these commands. Certainly there is no such option with the MOK enrollment. It was only in this last (of five previous attempts) that I realized it is my lack of comprehending your terminology that was the brick wall I was hitting.
Step 6 in the MOK enrollment is the option to select Microsoft/, Boot/, Ubuntu/ (which is the default), and Debian/. I finally realized you were telling me to select Debian/, which brought up step 7 where the wubildr/ selection could be made, and that brought up step 8 where I could select admin_wubi.cer!, which completed the Q4OS installation. All so simple now!
Anyway, my Q4OS is up and running and I thank you all (including JimW for his encouragement) for making it possible to join the Q4OS family!
Best wishes for everyone's success here. I foresee Q4OS as becoming one of Linux's top distros, especially for folks like me who are not, nor wish to become computer techs, just computer users.
Thank you all again!
Cheers!

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#18 2018-03-08 22:24

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

@ScorpianQ4OS
Thank you for your detailed reporting, we will review Q4OS documentation and try to update it to be more precise for the regular users.

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#19 2018-03-09 02:46

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

Fantastic! I'm sure most users here understand the path (ESP)/EFI/debian/wubildr/adminu_wubi.cer. As simple and concise as it is, now that I understand what it means, getting "it" required time for me. If instead there were instructions like Follow the MOK enrollment per the demo screens until step 6, then select Debian/, then wubildr/ at step 7, select admin_wubi.cer/ at step 8, No at step 9, and finally Continue at step 10, I would have "got it" in your first response. This is not a criticism of your methods, just a heads up about people like me who are PC illiterates, and how to make us understand what to do.
Again, Thank You for Your Help.
Viva Q4OS!!!!
Cheers

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#20 2018-03-14 17:29

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

Ok I finally got round to trying this one, I started by removing everything from my laptop HDD and then installed Win10 with updates and added a few drivers required from Dell.

Next I installed Q4OS using the Windows Installer and was very surprised at how quickly and easily it was up and running, although when I looked back through the installation instructions I noticed I did not have to go through the MOK setup part!

Yes you guessed (or did you?) I forgot to enable secure boot as this had been one of the things that were previously required to be disabled!! So I enabled it and wiped the system down again then reinstalled Windows 10 and re-installed Q4OS, this time went through the MOK setup without issue, the only thing I thought was a little strange was the fact that I did not have to use the complete path, just entered each part as per the Q4OS setup guide (looking back at the guide I think the full path is there for informational purposes), everything has been set up correctly and I am posting from the new installation now.

One thing I thought was a little strange though, I noticed when I launch the start menu (Bourbon) I get my Windows user name at the top although my Linux user name in the terminal is the one I selected during installation, not a problem just a bit odd, and I guess it's something to do with it running from within the Windows partition. I did notice from the User Manager that my full name had been entered as my Windows user name and have changed it and it now shows as I expected it to.

I will be adding a Windows 10 installation guide on my website in a few days or so and if there are any omissions/errors please let me know. smile

Thanks for this really simple installation routine, it makes it possible to get Q4OS installed without the need for entering the BIOS(UEFI) settings which many users find intimidating.

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#21 2018-03-14 17:41

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

@Dai_trying
Were you able to connect a wireless network immediately after the Q4OS installation before any other software installation ? We ask to be sure the bare install is able to connect a wireless network, using tdenetworkmanager or nmtui tool. Thanks.

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#22 2018-03-14 17:45

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

I had to enter my AP's credentials (it didn't get them from windows) but had no problems at all connecting. smile

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#23 2018-03-15 16:22

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

Dai_trying wrote:

Thanks for this really simple installation routine, it makes it possible to get Q4OS installed without the need for entering the BIOS(UEFI) settings which many users find intimidating.

When I installed it on my Windows 8.1 laptop I didn't even think about the BIOS. Just ran it as a normal Windows executable!
Might be a positive to point out. That it is not necessary to change BIOS settings.

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#24 2018-03-15 16:33

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#25 2018-03-15 17:05

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Re: Q4OS loves Windows 10

Dai_trying wrote:

Thanks for that smile We will check it and post some suggestions, if appropriate.

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