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#1 2017-11-16 21:39

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Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

Blew my socks off how fast Firefox 57 is compared to the previous version. Ive tested it on Windows and on another distro with excellent results.

Hers an overvoew,  www.ghacks.net/2017/11/13/firefox-57-release-overview/

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#2 2017-11-16 23:21

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

Yeah, fantastic upgrade from 56, and even moreso if you upgrade from 52...probably over 100% faster than 52.

I've got it installed on all my Debian/Debian based machines and my Arch machine.  I need to boot into Windows sometime to do the update.


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#3 2017-11-17 00:45

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

The difference between 52 and 57 floored me and so far Ive got it installed on my Win7, PClinuxOS, and Linux Mint XFCE systems

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#4 2017-11-17 00:55

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

All I can say is WOW!!! I just tested a few pages that were taking quite some time to load (ebay one of the worst) and I was gobsmacked at the speed difference! Thanks for the heads up CC. smile

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#5 2017-11-17 00:58

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

No  problem, smile   Read the overview link as a lot of things have changed particularly with add-ons.

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#6 2017-11-17 01:15

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

Thanks, just read through it and there are a heck of a lot of changes! I will test it for a while to see if it begins to slow down once it has some history/bookmarks etc to load up, but I am very happy with its first impression. smile

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#7 2017-11-17 01:38

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

I use private session all the time so it tends to stay very quick and clean.

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#8 2017-11-17 01:59

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

I added a sid file to the /etc/apt/preferences.d with:
Package: *
Pin: release a=sid
Pin-Priority: 190

Package: *
Pin: release a=unstable
Pin-Priority: 190

(yes, I realize I don't need both, but I use these same files on all my installs, so just in case I call it unstable on one system, I use both names)

Then added a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/optional.list with

deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free

And now have 57 on my fresh q4os installation.

Given the sheer difference in speed, ability to have multiple tabs open, ability to load pages, etc, the devs might want to consider either adding or replacing the software installer version (ESR) with the current release version until v59 becomes ESR.

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#9 2017-11-17 02:17

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

I hope they will consider using 57 instead of 52 but Ill wait for now as I also use Chrome and its still got great speed as well.

This week we got an update for Firefox 52 to Firefox 52.5 and to Chrome as well.

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#10 2017-11-17 02:44

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

Yeah, I use Chromium and Chrome as well as Firefox, but I'll probably get rid of Chrome now that Firefox actually works.  I only had it for watching DRM content, since Chromium is nearly impossible to get that to work, and Firefox was so insanely slow and resource inefficient that it wasn't usable really for anything.


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#11 2017-11-17 02:54

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

Id keep Chrome just for now until Youve used Firefox 57 awhile in case there are any issues. I also run Opera on some of my systems.

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#12 2017-11-17 02:56

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

I've actually been using 57 my desktop for about a month now.  Had installed the beta from experimental.


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#13 2017-11-17 02:58

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

Youve been using it on Q4OS/Debian?  Ive been running the beta on Win7 and had a few issues but nothing major.

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#14 2017-11-17 03:05

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

Debian, yeah.  MOST of my machines are Debian.  I have 1 Debian destop, 4 Debian laptops, 1 Arch laptop, 1 Fedora laptop, 1 q4os laptop.


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#15 2017-11-17 03:10

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

I run Linux Mint 18.2 XFCE on 4 desktops and 3 laptops, PCLinuxOS KDE on one desktop, Q4OS on one desktop, Linux Lite 3.4 on one laptop,WattOS R10 on two laptops, and my test system has presently 15 distros installed of various types(Fedora is one of them}.  I was never a big fan of Debian till I used Mepis then I wandered away and came back when I found Q4OS. Ive always been a Ubuntu derived or RPM distro guy.

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#16 2017-11-17 03:22

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

I actually DESPISE Ubuntu.  I'm forced to use it at work because a couple dev's are Ubuntu fans and therefore out of the like 400 systems I manage, 380 are CentOS, and 20 are Ubuntu.  When you're used to managing CentOS all day every day, and then suddenly log into Ubuntu, it makes you learn to dislike Ubuntu (different default user in AWS, different group for sudo rights, different naming of Apache service, different naming of Apache configuration directory, etc)

I haven't found an RPM distro that I like a lot on desktops/laptops.  I ADORE CentOS on servers, but on a desktop, Fedora is just flaky (24 & 25 were awesome, 26 was totally worthless, just installed 27 tonight).  PCLinuxOS is too long in the tooth for my tastes.  OpenSuse is just a pain to get the applications I like installed, as I have to add like 6 repositories as it lacks so much of what I like last time I used it (admittedly, that was like 3 years ago), and it was slow compared to most other distros.  I did like Mageia in v3 & v5, but so far, I've had nothing but bad luck with v6.  I haven't been able to get it working on any of my real hardware, it's failed on everything I've tried.

I've been using Debian for about 20 years (bit over), so I'm well versed in it, I like their backports system so I can get more modern kernel & software in the stable distro, and the pinning system is great for making sure you can keep the latest version of other browsers (I pin chromium and firefox to sid), so even though much of it does get too old like PCLinuxOS, the most important things I use most keep up to date.

Arch I've had an on & off relation with.  LOVED it like 10 years ago, then the devs went to the current installer and broke the distro literally every other month requiring you to chroot in and fix it.  Got so sick and tired of doing that, stopped using it for almost 8 years, then tried it out again.  Since starting to use it again, the squirrels seem to have decided on a direction, as it has been amazingly stable (given what I was expecting), and of course it's nice to always have the latest and greatest of everything.

Mostly I've been using q4os because I'm a KDE fan in every distro I use, but with the requirements of plasma5 now, I wanted to find something that offered me nearly as much or as many features as plasma5, but with a much much lighter gui.  Gnome 3 is, IMO, uglier than sin, Cinnamon is nice, but nowhere near as many nice features as KDE, LXQT looks promising, but simply isn't ready for prime time yet IMO.  So I happened upon q4os...with it's gui based on the old version of KDE, I'm getting all the functionality I'm used to, but since KDE3 was around when dual-core processors weren't even heard of yet, much less quad or more, it's much quicker on lesser hardware.  Although I am aware that all the hardware I currently own can EASILY handle the full plasma 5, I like to keep q4os on something just to show how fast "modern" hardware can really be when not encumbered by a heavy gui.

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#17 2017-11-17 21:08

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

Ubuntu derivatives for most users are a great experience and Ive enjoyed using them over the years. PCLinuxOS I dont find long in the tooth and in fact their selection of software and drivers is excellent. When was the last time you tried it?  For the average user its an excellent experience. Fedora it depends on the version as it cam be flaky or stable. Mageia I like and Im getting ready to install Mageia 6 to test/KDE version.  I sgtarted using Q4OS because I needed a distro to run on my older hardware, but Ive upgraded and can pretty much run whatever I like now.

Im also giving GeckoLinux a try as its OpenSUSE but without the hassle an d all apps available from the start.

Two best distro experiences Ive had this year have been Q4OS 2.4 and Linux Mint 18.2 XFCE.
Also enjoy Ubuntu Mate and Linux Lite.

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#18 2017-11-17 21:15

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

I admit, I haven't used PCLOS in about 3 years.  All I remember of it was that it had REALLY outdated software, and at the time it was more out of date than Debian Stable (that's kinda my measuring stick, older software than Debian Stable and not geared towards servers = no).

I tried Gecko Linux, it wouldn't start in my KVM install.  Never got to a bare metal attempt due to that.

I REALLY want to like Magiea.  I try it again and again, but with 6 it just DOESN'T like my hardware, not sure why.  Literally most of my laptops I can put anything on and it runs fine, but with Mageia 6, it won't.  5 ran on several of my machines without issue, but I can't get 6 to load.  For several years Mageia was my #2 OS to Debian.  I miss it.

My best OS experiences this year would be:

Debian
Arch
q4os (mostly based on I've had several machines I had issues with getting it installed that Debian installed on without issues knocking it below Arch, but if it installs, it runs fine, so gets above 26 that had MASSIVE issues on my desktop with the Nvidia graphics card after 25  & 24 never had a single issue)

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#19 2017-11-17 21:21

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

PCLOS not only has the most current kernels available but the most current browsers, Firefox,Chrome and Opera as well as other apps. They give you the option  to install what you want and the fact that they concentrate on KDE and Mate has simplified things quite a bit. Ive used it for quite awhile and particularly in the last two years its far more current than Debian is on a continuous basis as its a rolling release.

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#20 2017-11-17 22:55

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

Sounds like they've changed direction quite a bit then.  I might need to look at it again.


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#21 2017-11-17 23:16

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

PCLinuxOS makes you think twice about trying Mageia as its easier to install, lighter on resources,offers more choices and the community if you have a question is amazing. It defaults though to the Nvidia proprietary drivers so that could be an issue for some. Mageia does the same thing. If you use the livecd though Mageia gives you a choice of free or non-free graphic drivers, a nice feature.

Q4OS has one of the easiest installs around and compare that to Mageia and it makes me think twice. Except for testing purposes I like quick and easy so I can maximize productivity.

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#22 2017-11-18 06:42

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

Well, trying out PCLOS didn't go so well.  After repartitioning the drive (which took FOREVER with the stupid sliders in MB!!! and no way to change them to GB), it has to reboot (what is this, Windows 95???).  Upon rebooting, the PCLOS drive is no longer bootable.  Not sure why, ALL the information was still on it, but I tried on 3 other laptops, and it no longer boots.  So I'm chalking up PCLOS to a total failure of an installer.

Now, the big question.  I have Dell Latitude E5250 w/ a now empty (although partitioned) 250 GB SSD...I have (including q4os) 4 machines with some Debian derivative, so what should I put on there....

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#23 2017-11-18 19:25

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

I cant comment on the partitioning abilities of PCLinuxOS as I dont run multiple OS on the same drive. I run one OS per drive for testing purposes but having spent a lot of time in their forums I havent noticed any issues.

I did install Mageia 6 on my USFF Dell last night and it worked like a charm and runs very well. Really like it and is light for KDE5 at 485-535mbs at main screen.
Clean looking design, love the Mageia Control center and no driver issues at all. Very few extra apps to install and enabled the extra non-free and tainted repos.
No Chrome, Firefox ESR 52.4 so recent update to 52.5 there yet. They dont offer the flexibility with apps you get with Q4OS 2.4

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#24 2017-11-18 21:14

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

crosscourt wrote:

No Chrome, Firefox ESR 52.4 so recent update to 52.5 there yet. They dont offer the flexibility with apps you get with Q4OS 2.4

Really, with the exception of Arch + AUR, NOONE offers the flexibility you get with a Debian derivative that still has the Debian repos.


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#25 2017-11-18 21:58

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Re: Firefox 57 is out and its fast.

PCLinuxOS offers a lot more flexibility than Mageia(best of the RPM based distros} as you can for instance, run Chrome or the most recent version of Opera right from their repos. That said most people including myself dont need that and most major apps can be installed easily like Chrome if they are Deb or RPM based.

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