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FlexQ4

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Registered: 2017-02-19

Posts: 148

Re: Some Firefox related Effects

Hello bin!

sudo kcmodules --unlock

Yes, now i remember: the Q4OS-Team told me that before and i didn't unlock them in this latest installation (since they told in addition, that those modules might be somwhat ,dangerous' - don't know a better terminus).
But the entry "GTK Styles and Fonts" is missing at my control centre...

copy /opt/trinity/bin/kcontrol.tde2 to your desktop and rename to Control Centre - this is what I use and was the default in the old days.

I'm just a newbie and presume you're talking about KDE 3.5, right?

As to the Palemoon icons - I can only guess that they are hardwired into the Palemoon Default theme in some way and reference possible sets in /usr/share/icons or ~/.icons or possibly even stuff they may find in other local Moz based apps.

Exactly what i think! And this is what i did yesterday: opened a related thread at the Pale Moon Forums (they have got a dedicated section for Linux users over there: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewforum.php?f=37 ) to investigte that mechanism.
For some mysterios reason in my case (system) "it" feel free to fetch some button-icons from somewhere - somwhat cheeky, isn't it?

This looks like a good starting point - I am sorry but once we start getting to userChrome.css my mind goes blank!

Ok, i think i understand and promise: i won't bother you with this css-related stuff :-) but afford keeping you informed eventually, ok?
Thank you, see you & Happy Easter!

[Edit: Added a link to the Palemoon Linux forum]

Last edited by FlexQ4 (2017-04-16 14:23)

bin

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From: U.K.

Registered: 2016-01-28

Posts: 1,300

Re: Some Firefox related Effects

You're very welcome.

Generally the more tools you have available the more ways you have to mess things up in linux (or anything else I guess) but that's how you learn.

sudo apt-get install gtk-qt-engine-trinity gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity

Look in Control Centre>Appearance & Themes and you'll see GTK Styles and Fonts.

They introduced the 'New' Control Centre thing towards the end of main line 3.5 as I recall. I found it horrible then and it has not changed.
IMHO the sheer number of config tools and their relationships are just so much easier to see using the old cascading tree system you get with kcontrol.tde2

Good luck with Palemoon!

FlexQ4

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Registered: 2017-02-19

Posts: 148

Re: Some Firefox related Effects

Thanks Bin for your mental support: i finally found the cause:

Once i installed GUFW (the grafical frontend for the firewall UFW) some Gnome stuff was implicitly loaded (depency!? - 20+ MB in total) and, amongst that, a gnome icon set with a "back.png" and "forward.png" included.
.
Now obviously, simple explained, this is what the Runtime-Environment / Moz-based Firefox & Palemoon do: They find those both ,new' icons for Back and forward, and start to use them rather than the originals.
But since that Gnome iconset doesn't contain the other "home", "reload" etc. icons, all other buttons remain unchanged.

Imo a good recipe to achieve a nice mixture of icons, and an excellent way to give me the runaround for 2 weeks isn't it?

Furthermore i have to find a new (Personal) Firewall, whose installation doesn't have sideeffects on the GUI of my browsers...

bin

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From: U.K.

Registered: 2016-01-28

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Re: Some Firefox related Effects

Good job!

What puzzles me is that as we know on my system the icons look fine.

If I go to install gufw it just wants:-
robin@poppy:~$ sudo apt-get install gufw
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  libqt5svg5 qt5-image-formats-plugins
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
The following extra packages will be installed:
  gir1.2-polkit-1.0 python-gobject ufw
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  gir1.2-polkit-1.0 gufw python-gobject ufw
0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Need to get 721 kB of archives.
After this operation, 2,438 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n

I get the same using the command:-
robin@poppy:~$ sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install gufw

Normally the --no-install-recommends will weed out the dross and just install the stuff that is needed.

In this case it makes no difference. So, either those icons are in one of these three - or I already have them but they are not being referenced.:)

As regards the firewall:-
kmyfirewall-trinity  ?????

FlexQ4

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Registered: 2017-02-19

Posts: 148

Re: Some Firefox related Effects

Thanks bin,
Unfortunately, on my system it behaves differently:

me@flex5:~\> sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install gufw
Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut.
Statusinformationen werden eingelesen.... Fertig
Die folgenden zusätzlichen Pakete werden installiert:
  gnome-icon-theme gnome-icon-theme-symbolic
Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden installiert:
  gnome-icon-theme gnome-icon-theme-symbolic gufw
0 aktualisiert, 3 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 0 nicht aktualisiert.
Es müssen noch 0 B von 10,3 MB an Archiven heruntergeladen werden.
Nach dieser Operation werden 14,4 MB Plattenplatz zusätzlich benutzt.
Möchten Sie fortfahren? [J/n] n

My free translation of the both essential lines:

The following NEW packeges are to be installed:
  gnome-icon-theme gnome-icon-theme-symbolic gufw

Without translation you can see the significantly differing MB of stuff to be loaded...

Do you have allready a "gnome" iconset locateed in your  /usr/share/icons ?
If then, what do 'back.png' and 'forward.png' (in /actons) look like?

bin

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Registered: 2016-01-28

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Re: Some Firefox related Effects

Yes I do have the gnome-icon-theme - it was installed when I installed Libreoffice from backports

Back and Forward are symlinks to go-next and go-previous - left and right dotted arrows

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Attachments:
go-next.png, Size: 2.27 KiB, Downloads: 572

q4osteam

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Re: Some Firefox related Effects

Most GTK2 applications read icon theme from the system configuration. We guess, it's also the case of Palemoon and old FF versions. Please see 'gtk-icon-theme-name=..' line in '$HOME/.gtkrc-q4os'. You could try to set different icon themes here and view the effect for GTK2 applications. Possible values include:

- default
- hicolor
- Adwaita
- Gnome
- crystalsvg
- nuvola
- etc...

See http://www.q4os.org/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=7024#p7024

FlexQ4

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Registered: 2017-02-19

Posts: 148

Re: Some Firefox related Effects

This is my current .gtkrc-q4os:

...
gtk-theme-name="Q4OS01"
# gtk-icon-theme-name="crystalsvg"
# gtk-fallback-icon-theme="hicolor"
gtk-font-name="Tahoma 8"
# gtk-cursor-theme-name="DMZ-White"
# gtk-cursor-theme-size=0
# gtk-toolbar-style=GTK_TOOLBAR_ICONS
# gtk-toolbar-icon-size=GTK_ICON_SIZE_SMALL_TOOLBAR
gtk-button-images=0
gtk-menu-images=1
# ...

The lines with a # at the beginning are comments, right? Hence, no gtk-icon-theme-name is/was not set.

So, what i will do now (if noone is to intervene):
-> Re-install GUFW with the gnome-Iconset alongside
-> check: bingo, the both buttons icons have changed
-> change gtk-icon-theme-name="default"/"hicolor"/"crystalsvg"/... " in the .gtkrc-q4os
-> Re-login (each time) and check, if the button-icons re-turned to their originals

I think i've done that "randomly" before, but this time i' will do it _systematically_...

Btw, the variable gtk-button-images obviously has got a name that sounds quite interesting in this context, doesn't it?

FlexQ4

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Registered: 2017-02-19

Posts: 148

Re: Some Firefox related Effects

I processed it as decribed above, results:
1. You do not have to re-login to have an effect on changing the varible gtk-icon-theme-name in .gtkrc-q4os.
    it applies immediately when FF/PM restart.
2. Setting gtk-icon-theme-name to "hicolor" and "crystalsvg" will provide an entire new icon-set (with own back/forth icons)
3. All other values leave the ,strange'  °°> , <°° unchanged (as long as gnome iconset is present)
4. You can stop PM/FF using those strange icons by simply renaming the gnome folder in /usr/share/icons (e.g. gnome_),
5. or simply un-install GUFW (with it's 2 dependant gnome-icon-set packeges) to make the usual back/forth icons re-appear
6. one has to live with that behaviour of GTK/Moz-based Palemoon and Firefox in relationship with gnome.
7. It's quite a subtle sensation, but i think i don't like gnome.

Many thanks for your patience and support !

Flex